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01-08-2009, 4:29 AM

HDMI cables, expensive vs cheap

Ok, a bit of a report this.... sorry! But I've been frustrated by the lack of science behind Stuff magazine's preaching on the topic of HDMI cables. They recently did offer up some welcome science, hence this report.

Summary

Stuff magazine's view on HDMI leads is to buy expensive leads for your home entertainment system (see p251, January 2009). I disagree with this. After testing various cables 2 metres in length on a standard living room set-up, I noted that the differential in image quality offered by the cables is either unnoticable or non-existant. I conclude from this symptom that the limited electromagnetic conditions and the minimal length required for HDMI cabling in our homes causes the majority of us no reason to purchase expensive HDMI cabling.

Testing

To prove to myself that I wasn't just adopting a cynical attitude towards professional gadgeteers telling us that cabling is far more important that we might think for digital signals, I took the opportunity of playing two Blu-ray versions of The Dark Night on two separate PS3's plugged into two HDMI inputs on the same HDTV (Samsung LE40A756). I was able to do this by chance really; I took my PS3 to my brother's house for christmas where we had duplicates of the key components.

There was one difference in the twin set-up: the HDMI cable. My brother got talked into paying £70 for the cable, the salesman iterating time and again that its silly to spend £800 on a TV but not get a high quality cable (but he could not explain the science as to why the expensive cable should perform better in a living room scenario). I actually brought two cables with me: a £4.99 cable purchased online and a £9.99 cable bought at gamestation. All 3 cables were 2 metres.

We played the movies simultaneously with exactly the same picture settings for both HDMI channels on the TV and with both PS3s set-up identically.

After testing the £9.99 cable against the £70 cable, I repeated for the £4.99 cable against the £70 cable.

Test results were observational in form. My two brothers and our girlfriends were witness to this geek-ridden event. We compared the cables by switching HDMI channels on the TV with an obsessive desire to spot any differences. Comparisons and up-close inspections were made of freeze-framed images, slow motion playback, playback in film and TV native frame-rates, picture extremities (image reproduction in low/high contrast and in low/high brightness etc.) and we also fiddled with the TV and PS3 picture processing software.

Results

Nothing. Everytime we flicked from cheap to expensive cabling the picture was no different (both were fantastic, I couldn't see how the picture could be better). Not one of us in the room could see a single, not a single difference. For what its worth, the sound was no different either (but of course this would need to be tested on a proper surround sound set-up).

Conclusion

Signal degradation (digital data-packet loss) in a HDMI cable of two metres or less does not occur to the extent necessary to warrant high-end materials and their associated cost. Perhaps for a 10 metre a cable the extra shielding and build quality is necessary. But for your standard home set-up? No, definitely not. It's also worth mentioning that the TV used for this test would be considered awesome just 12 months ago, and Stuff has been proclaiming the virtues of expensive HDMI cables for longer than this - hence to say that a higher-end TV would spot any differences would be erroneous. Furthermore, with TV's coming down in price, expensive HDMI cables are becoming a larger percentage of cash spent on a decent set-up, so my view is this: please please don't tell people to spend more money than they need to for results they will not get. I felt my brother got conned by a salesman who probably didn't even mean to con him!

Stuff, remember that science is beautiful but the magnitude of forces and the context in which they're exerting has to be rigourously verified: think Coriolis effect and the water-swirl myth.

I'm spent! Feel free to contradict or agree with me people, I love all that!

 

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01-08-2009, 12:39 PM

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Wow, I love the fact that you did that! I said the same too, the Gadget Show did a similar test, and Leo Laporte has said that there's no difference. Theoretically, it wouldn't be affected unless it's over 30metres or so. Sorry Stuff and What Hi-Fi, but buying expensive HDMI cables is a false economy with a high markup price (IMO). Perhaps it's just a mindset that expensive = better?


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01-08-2009, 1:20 PM

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Hats off sir, hats off. I would like to hear what the Stuff writers say, not to condemn them or give them a slap on the wrist, just their honest view.
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01-08-2009, 2:29 PM

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I'm also in firm agreement. I good analogy to use would be that mp3's don't sound better or worse depending on what type of Hard Drive you have, and the brand of CD used doesn't alter the sound quality, its the CD player, the decoding stage that alters it.

As long as an HDMI can actually carry the signal at the required level for the decoder to work, it will look and sound identical to any other.

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01-08-2009, 6:53 PM

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yeah i saw the gadget show do a test on this, and they found there was very little difference between expensive and cheap.

not worth the money.


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01-08-2009, 8:01 PM

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Great investigative report! I was thinking of posting my request, but it actually ties in with this thread. I am having Sky HD fitted at the weekend and, due to being an early adopter, have only one HDMI input on my TV. Since I already have my PS3 connected I am going to need to get an HDMI switch. I have seen a couple in Curry's (only looking, I would never give money to that demon company) which were very expensive. Can anyone reccommend a reasonable HDMI switch for me?

Oh and yes, I was one of the mugs who fell for the expensive HDMI cable swindle.




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01-08-2009, 8:31 PM

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 http://www.joytech.net/products.php?section=viewprod&catID=13&type=ps3&productID=126&ProductName=HDMI-TriLink-Switcher

Heres a 3-porter for a score.

 

Job done.

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01-08-2009, 8:53 PM

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Cheers Dude.



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01-08-2009, 9:20 PM

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Jonprevans:

Great investigative report! I was thinking of posting my request, but it actually ties in with this thread. I am having Sky HD fitted at the weekend and, due to being an early adopter, have only one HDMI input on my TV. Since I already have my PS3 connected I am going to need to get an HDMI switch. I have seen a couple in Curry's (only looking, I would never give money to that demon company) which were very expensive. Can anyone reccommend a reasonable HDMI switch for me?

Oh and yes, I was one of the mugs who fell for the expensive HDMI cable swindle.

You could try some here, either manual or with remote etc. Wont count on the actual quality of the box though and if they dont degrade the signal, though give what this topic is about, maybe they'll be fine.

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As for the great HDMI debate, well I have to say nice work there. The one thing I will say is this. When I got my SKY HD I also bought a fairly decent HDMI cable, £50 QED to be precise. I definitely saw less picture noise with the decent cable than the cable that came with SKY, however the rest of the actual picture was about the same. But this was as you Jonprevans, an early first 40" Samsung LCD TV,  so that make more of a difference, or maybe less compared to brand spanking new ones? I dunno.

The one thing I will back up with more expensive cables it the actual quality of them. My QED HDMI is awesome as it should be, but the £15 one I got chucked in when I got my PS3 is no more. After just TWO connection and dis-connections ( easily done when setting or adding to a home cinema set-up ), the actual connector bit no longer wanted to stay attached to the cable. Poor, very poor.

But that's very interesting, and something which is worth knowing. The 10m+ length issue is easy, I would always get a better cable over that kind of distance, but will never be in a position to need one as it's only projectors that they are used for mainly.

The other thing is when getting my mums fancy new set-up, I over heard the Comet salesman that you needed a fancy Monster (yeuch) high speed 24p HDMI as older ones wont work with 24p BR players. Absolute crap!


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02-07-2009, 3:12 PM

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mc799 won post of the month! I quite love Stuff's persistent inaccurate opinion. Sorry guys, but seriously just because What Hi-Fi audiophiles say something doesn't make it right. There's far more sources that prove contrary to their opinion. Like Snige said, the only good thing about getting more expensive digital cables is that they're less likely to break.

Expensive doesn't always mean better, in fact it annoys me whenever it's recommended to pay more for something that you can either get for cheaper/free for just as good result.



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02-07-2009, 9:40 PM

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Why buy a cable that costs nearly as much as the item you need the hmdi for.
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02-08-2009, 9:18 AM

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When i worked at sony center, the guy told me they make more money from the HDMI cables then anything else in the store. something to do with commission. My cable was 10 quid and its a brill picture.
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02-08-2009, 11:44 AM

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I worked at a big electrical retailer, we were always pushed to sell the expensive cabling. Thay started at like £45. Also we were pushed to sell the ''power cleaner''. I did always wonder how much difference it made. The store also sold the £9.99 2m cable you see in Game etc. I bought the cheap cable and have watched allot of HD content. I don't see any glitches, but maybe I'm not as sensitive as some.

I would say that Monster cable do make good products (there responsible for the Dr Dre headphones). However I wonder how much is really worth the money (cables 1m £50 2m £80 for HDMI). In particular the power cleaner (£100+), some people will see interference in the picture when kettles are switched on/off and this may affect the life span and picture of your TV but a house with decent wiring shouldn't see any interference in picture.


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02-10-2009, 8:02 AM

Re: HDMI cables, expensive vs cheap

I've been asking a similar question on another forum as I'm about to buy a Bluray Player and wanted to know what type of cable I should get for it.


The general consensus is that if you are only needing a short cable then any old cheap one will do (bearing in mind the build quality so that it doesn’t fall apart the first time you unplug it). It you are needing a longer cable then you might want to consider the more expensive ones (given the cheap one will be more too as they're longer) as the longer the cable is the more chance there is that the signal can degrade.

If anyone wants to read some in depth testing then try here

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03-07-2009, 6:35 PM

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Legend post, I am just about to get a decent tv on my wall. In fact on Stuff recommendation Sony KDL-40W4000.

The extension is just about to begin where my new tv will be on the wall. I am choosing to buy a HDMI Cable which will be attached to a switcher and a Scart switcher built into the wall so that no wires will be showing. I'm probably looking at about 5 meter cables. Ive read the posts and am glad i do not have to buy the most expensive and was just wondering if anyone had any advice of which ones to get?

Thanks

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